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Post by Chris Pell on Apr 15, 2013 18:01:49 GMT
Is there any particular rules about having a website address on your sails? I've had a quick glance through the rules but couldn't see anything. Chris
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Post by RUM PIE on Apr 15, 2013 19:05:45 GMT
You will need to look into the RYA rules re permissible markings[advertisements] on sails and other equipments as well as the Class rules.
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Post by pegasus on Apr 15, 2013 19:08:29 GMT
Chris
The class rules will only allow sailmaker's logos in the corner (Tack) of the sail at the Nationals or other BMBA events
No other advertising is allowed. If you are sailing at club level you will need to see your clubs rules
Simon BM847
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Post by Chris Pell on Apr 15, 2013 21:10:04 GMT
Thanks for the replies. Chris
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Post by jonathantwite on Apr 16, 2013 8:33:46 GMT
Chris The class rules will only allow sailmaker's logos in the corner (Tack) of the sail at the Nationals or other BMBA events No other advertising is allowed. If you are sailing at club level you will need to see your clubs rules Simon BM847 Where is this in the class rules? I've read through the document on the website and couldn't spot it. In general, the RYA doesn't have a problem with advertising on sails. I ask because I was seriously looking into getting a new sail partly paid for by having an advert on it. Jon
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Post by New Boy on Apr 16, 2013 14:38:29 GMT
I was told I had to remove advert from my sails before i could use them at the Nationals or any Opens. I never checked the rules but removed as took people who advised me by their word that it was against class rules. Will be interested in answer to the question as I will put adds back on if they are allowed. New Boy
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Post by Chris Pell on Apr 16, 2013 20:28:27 GMT
Chris The class rules will only allow sailmaker's logos in the corner (Tack) of the sail at the Nationals or other BMBA events No other advertising is allowed. If you are sailing at club level you will need to see your clubs rules Simon BM847 Where is this in the class rules? I've read through the document on the website and couldn't spot it. In general, the RYA doesn't have a problem with advertising on sails. I ask because I was seriously looking into getting a new sail partly paid for by having an advert on it. Jon I also looked through the rules multiple times and couldn't see anything about it, think its something that needs to be cleared up as there are others wondering about it also. In the gallery there is also pictures of a boat racing with the web address on for the class website. Chris
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Post by jonathantwite on Apr 17, 2013 12:39:44 GMT
plus one boat with a large logo of the sail maker
Maybe there should be a specific rule proposed to be discussed at the AGM, as to whether people want advertising allowed (perhaps of a maximum size and/or set position), or prefer a cleaner sail with just sail number and logo.
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Post by fasteddy1 on Apr 17, 2013 18:46:44 GMT
The ISAF regulation 20 deals with advertising, and guidance on this is available on RYA website. My understanding is that if a class wishes to restrict advertising on boats it must say so IN THE CLAS RULES. Failure to do so, by default, anything goes. This is only my interpretation of the guidance and should not be taken as gospel, but if you wish to restrict advertising on British Moths get it into the rules.
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Post by New Boy on Apr 18, 2013 8:36:20 GMT
I have now looked at our class rules and can not find anything that prohibits adverts on sails. We do sail at lots of different clubs and they may have their own rules on this. I would think twice about it now as we need to respect the rules of every club we sail at. Its already been said but I suggest we clear this matter as quickly as possible with a post from the committee. If its already in our rules could they be pointed out to those who cant find them. If not and it it the committees wish that the rule is put in place could they make this clear. I would suggest that if this is done that adverts are banned from the boats hull too. As I said I was told to remove mine which I did. The pics on the web site may well be of my sails before I removed them. I know that there is a sail with our web site addy on it and that before it was put on the association were asked if it would be ok. Maybe adds should be restricted to allow only the class promotion. New Boy
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Post by ianedwards on Apr 18, 2013 12:24:01 GMT
As I understand the position the notice of race should specify the category of the event under the Racing Rules of sailing. This category then specifies the size of any adverts that may be carried either on the hull, sails or crew. As I recall the question of the class website being carried on sails conformed with the requirements as the association paid for these to help promote the class. Therefore for what it is worth club sailing will depend upon the club rules, opens, Nationals etcetera the notice of race should specify the event category. Ian Edwards Hon Treasurer
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Post by jonathantwite on Apr 18, 2013 13:50:57 GMT
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Post by colin on Apr 18, 2013 14:41:57 GMT
As the offending (!) sail owner…..
As Ian states, a number of sails with the class web address on were used to promote the class at ‘big’ events; Bloody Mary, Tiger Trophy, Battle of he Classes and so on. It was never the committee’s intention to turn the boat into an advertising hording.
I am more than happy to formulate a proposal regarding advertising at the AGM.
Comments please.
Colin
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Post by New Boy on Apr 19, 2013 10:10:51 GMT
I think that would be a plan Colin. If the committee was to say Adverts were allowed it could not follow that this could be put in all NOR,s as the clubs may have their own rules on this. It does follow that if we want uniformity across opens that Adverts on Sails, Hulls, Crew should not be allowed. My opinion is that we should be allowed to promote the class with our web addy but that is it. This is coming from someone who has had adds on his sails in the past so sure to get some comments. As people seem to want to put adds on their sails for discounts or cash, maybe the class should receive a donation from that as at the end of the day it is them that are putting on the opens for the advert to appear at!! I really don't mind either way but if adds are allowed they should be controlled, size position etc and maybe even content. All sounds like a lot of work for the committee who will get non of the returns. Hence the donation comment. New Boy
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Post by colin on Apr 19, 2013 11:20:20 GMT
Mark,
My default position is that we should keep rules and regulations to a minimum.
As there seems to be no standard call on this as far as individual club NORs then there would be a lot of changing going on. Not a problem to non-advertisers but I would have though a pain to those that were. A lot of potential bother for not a large pot of gold especially if the BMBA had a cut?
Colin
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