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Post by paultp on Apr 22, 2009 11:15:38 GMT
www.sailracer.co.uk/contentview.asp?id=137&uid=69757I'd welcome any reduction increase as in the series I have just finished I am the fastest in the slow handicap according to PY but get beat by Mirrors (single handed) and a plastic thing called a Q'Ba (from RS) which has a PY of 1220 and is actally quite nippy. It may have something to do with recent light winds and my (slowly reducing)15st though. Whilst I'm at it; I'm quoting 1173 for a BM - that is correct isn't it? Cheers Paul
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Post by BMBA Admin on Apr 22, 2009 14:05:36 GMT
Hehe. There'd be a riot at our place amongst the Solo fleet if the Moth PY got an increase.
In part however, that is due to the seaon's so far uncharacteristically light winds which do give us a definate advantage. But only in part ;D
What's the cut-off in handicap between your Fast and Slow fleets? At 1173 we, along with the odd Comet on the same PY, are the slowest in the Fast fleet, and were offered the option of sailing with the Slow fleet at the last review but declined as we enjoy baiting the Solos too much .....
If it's a borderline thing, perhaps you could request an amendment to the threshold so you can race with the Fast fleet instead?
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Post by ianedwards on Apr 22, 2009 21:28:50 GMT
I feel we need to be very careful on this one as we may find our PY being pulled again. Godfrey Clark when he was secretary worked very hard to protect the PY we sailed to. The problem then was that one or two clubs with Moth fleets insisted upon submitting their PY return. The problem was that the waters suited the Moth and as we know open waters and big winds push the boundarys for the class. In many ways one really has to question the handicap of the Comet and try and have returns submitted from large open water clubs, but as we know we have no representation in such locations.
Ian E
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Post by New Boy on Apr 23, 2009 7:48:59 GMT
Hi Ian Frampton Moth returns are being put in as far as I know. We are not a large open water club but we are sailing on one of the larger lakes supported by Moths. We sail against Solo's and lasers along with Toppers the odd Mirror and a comet. As you would expect on light wind days we do very well but once above a force 3 we struggle. I am sure over the year this will balance out and a fair handicap will be given. This years sailing season has seen light winds at Frampton for almost every race. This has made the Moths look very good there but once the wind blows I am sure that will change and we will see our real placings. It does seem to me it is going to be hard to please everyone on this one as lake sailors struggle on 1173 while river sailors I feel should be doing very well. Maybe some local agreements need to be made and some common sense used. This as always is just my opinion. New Boy  |
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Post by paultp on Apr 23, 2009 10:53:47 GMT
Hehe. There'd be a riot at our place amongst the Solo fleet if the Moth PY got an increase. In part however, that is due to the seaon's so far uncharacteristically light winds which do give us a definate advantage. But only in part ;D What's the cut-off in handicap between your Fast and Slow fleets? At 1173 we, along with the odd Comet on the same PY, are the slowest in the Fast fleet, and were offered the option of sailing with the Slow fleet at the last review but declined as we enjoy baiting the Solos too much ..... If it's a borderline thing, perhaps you could request an amendment to the threshold so you can race with the Fast fleet instead? The fast stops at 1162 which I think is so the streakers are the slowest of the fleet. I'm the only moth and have only been a member for 3 weeks so I'm not sure I want to start asking them to change their rules just yet  I think I beat 2 of the streakers in last nights pursuit so it can't be all bad. The mirror won, having 8 minutes start on me! |
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Post by paultp on Apr 23, 2009 10:58:46 GMT
I feel we need to be very careful on this one as we may find our PY being pulled again. Godfrey Clark when he was secretary worked very hard to protect the PY we sailed to. The problem then was that one or two clubs with Moth fleets insisted upon submitting their PY return. The problem was that the waters suited the Moth and as we know open waters and big winds push the boundarys for the class. In many ways one really has to question the handicap of the Comet and try and have returns submitted from large open water clubs, but as we know we have no representation in such locations. Ian E I think the idea with this trial project is that the regular returns throughout the season may see different PY's for classes on different types of water. It is also to take account of new classes which do not have a PY and just get allocated a test number and then sail on it for a full season (I think this is the case with those pesky Q'Ba's on 1220). I probably just need more race practice and time on the water .... and 3 stone less weight! |
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